Corey begins by expressing his frustrations with the current NALC leadership, particularly President Renfroe, whom he criticizes for incompetence, corruption, and a lack of integrity. He also touches upon the impact of his malfunctioning laptop on his recording schedule, but reaffirms his commitment to the city letter carrier craft. Corey then introduces and interviews Paul Perry, the branch president of NALC Branch 1100, the largest branch in the country. Perry shares his experiences at the Committee of Presidents (COP) meeting, where he challenged Renfroe’s claims about the arbitration process and the TA. Perry recounts Renfroe’s aggressive reactions and his apparent disregard for the membership’s vote against the TA. Both Corey and Perry express their disdain for the leadership’s actions and their commitment to fighting for the members. They also discuss the importance of the CLC movement and the need for reform within the union. Perry highlights the power of collective action and the significance of rank-and-file involvement in driving change, emphasizing that individual branches are making their voices heard. Corey expresses his admiration for Perry’s passion and dedication and his hope for a positive future for the union with new leadership. The interview delves into the union’s internal politics, the potential for constitutional amendments to limit presidential power, and the broader implications of the current situation for letter carriers across the country. The conversation also touches on the importance of education and awareness for new members, particularly CCAs, and the need for a stronger, more representative union.